Alive conversation - pages 166-177
The text of the programme “Consciousness and Personality. From the inevitably dead to the eternally Alive”
under the editorship of Anastasia Novykh.
(Note, the abbreviations used in the text: presenter Tatiana – T; Igor Mikhailovich Danilov – IM; Zhanna – Zh; Volodya – V; Andrey – A).
FROM THE INEVITABLY DEAD TO THE ETERNALLY ALIVE.
CONSCIOUSNESS AND PERSONALITY
T: This is very interesting and important information. You understand how stereotypically people’s consciousness will react to all this. Because consciousness, as a rule, what does it do? It reacts stereotypically with a squall of criticism and emotional indignation to everything that is new to it, that is disadvantageous to consciousness itself, so that its control over the person wouldn’t be destroyed. All the more so, it is very aggressive towards everything Spiritual. After all, even having heard this Knowledge, consciousness will be attacking people.
IM: …Consciousness is always criticizing, especially if something is connected with true Knowledge… If consciousness hears anything about what’s truly Spiritual, it always rears up.
T: Well, yes, if one comes from the position of consciousness, then what can it scream about, this Ego-I of his, “Satan forbid that consciousness should lose control over Personality!” Well, you can’t say “God forbid” because it doesn’t apply to the system. After all, speaking the language of religion, it does belong to Satan, meaning, the mortal.
IM: Yes. Why? Because this is incomprehensible for consciousness, it will never be able to understand. And so, what I’m talking about now will simply cause for many a storm or rejection in their consciousness, up to the point when one wants to turn off the programme. But at the same time, since there is a mention about that which is located beyond the verge of consciousness’ understanding, the system will make many listen again and again, even if they would be abiding in consciousness. Why? Because for the system itself, it is always interesting to learn something new so as to gain some power. Well, it always aspires to become like God, that is why it’s in a state of constant self-development. But it only thinks so, I mean the system, that it will be able to develop itself in some kind of way so that it will become equal...
T: But in the system, everything is limited.
IM: Certainly, in the system, everything is limited. But I will repeat once more, even what I am talking about now, it can give rise to a whole storm of indignation and revolt in consciousness of many people who are, in actual fact, now enslaved by the system. This should be understood.
And even people, being far from what I’m talking about, might subject my words to criticism, well, that really is an understatement. Even though this seemingly doesn’t concern them, they had listened to it accidentally. But at the same time, this can give rise to a whole squall of indignation in them. Yet, why? Well, say, if they stop and think who in them is indignant, and why? If they think that this doesn’t interest them, that they are independent, understand and know everything, then why are they so outraged by this? Why aren’t they outraged by other things that are happening in this world? Why aren’t they outraged by the fact that people are killing each other, lying? Why aren’t they outraged by the presence of evil in this world? A simple question. But when you talk about the good — that’s it, that means “this is advantageous for you”. Yet, who talks about this in people’s consciousness? They themselves think about this, or does the system tell them about it? Once again, commonplace stereotypical directives from the system. Everything boils down to what? Back to this narrow understanding of various things. And immediately, parallels to something are drawn.
T: Well, yes, it turns out that the system has extracted a fragment from a conversation and found something more or less similar in memory. And it doesn’t matter that it’s different by content. The important thing for it is to quickly plug it in and to spit it out as a result. And since the system is the “House of Lies”, as the ancients used to say, it doesn’t matter to it that the result is phoney and a sham. In a word, the artificial intelligence wants to pull a fast one. It’s good if the operator is clever and uncovers these mistakes in his computer right away, figures out himself what is what. But, as a rule, people don’t actually notice when the system stuffs the unstuffable — a commonplace perception of the world by the patterns of consciousness.
IM: Ordinary stereotypical thinking.
T: Yes, the system itself enslaves, and that’s why a person in whom consciousness dominates, sees precisely oppressors in all his competitors. You are just surprised upon meeting some people who don’t even understand what they are saying, who is dictating in them, how they react to that very “AllatRa” book, to the ALLATRA Movement, to that good which people turn into reality in different countries of the world. And you understand how consciousness emits such indignation out of nothing, how scared it is of losing control over this person.
IM: But it is consciousness that is indignant. Once again, it is indignant in whom? In those very slaves of the system. The system is deceitful, it always lies. And, in the first place, it deceives the person himself — the Personality. It simply exploits him. But the trouble is that people don’t understand that what they consider themselves to be — they aren’t. This is not them. Consciousness is a tool, but it’s not a human being.
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T: Here you, Igor Mikhailovich, have just said that consciousness is a tool, and I’ve recalled that one fellow, discoursing about the Knowledge, or more exactly... his consciousness came up with a different extreme, “Since consciousness hinders me, since it deceives me this way, so that’s it, I won’t develop it”...
IM: Well, and thus to equate own consciousness to a monkey's one. Meaning, to have poorly-developed consciousness, be disoriented in today’s world and do what others tell you. Be feeble-minded, so to say. This is a dream of many managers: to have a dumb, uncomprehending, unaware society.
Consciousness is, first and foremost, a tool. If I give you, for instance, a blunt knife and ask you to peel potatoes, will it be convenient for you to peel with it? No, you need a sharp knife. Any tool has to be proven to the utmost and whole, well-maintained. And consciousness is a tool, it has to be well-developed. The wider your horizons are, the more you comprehend, the more is embedded in you for understanding this very three-dimensionality. The question is in something else, who controls your consciousness? It is obvious that the system will always control it, this is its component.
But again, secondary consciousness (or new consciousness), it is difficult to control, but it can be controlled. But it can be easily ignored if necessary. Whereas, primary consciousness - it is easy to train. If you develop as a Personality, then developed, well-taught consciousness — this is just for help, this is not to the detriment. This doesn’t mean that it will be more cunning, more sophisticated. Believe me, no matter how much you develop your consciousness, it won’t be able to develop to that level to which the system itself has developed, it is just a part of this system. And the system that has experience, say, of billions of years, it has seen all sorts of things. That’s why well-developed consciousness makes understanding of this world easier and improves communication with other people. Basically, if you are not lazy, this is just for help.
T: Yes. It was hard when you didn’t know about this. Whereas, now there’s such a situation that the Knowledge is available, but many people don’t have practical experience of working on themselves yet, therefore, there is no real transformation of themselves and the society.
IM: There is an interesting point here – transformation of the society. Everybody aspires to transform the society. But the society will transform only when people start transforming themselves. This is an essential point. One shouldn’t aspire to alter the society, without having changed oneself.
T: Yes, this is so. But people as if lack understanding of the meaning of life. That is, the system imposes some values (that very career or family, or some search for pleasure in the external) and suggests to people that they should believe that this is what life is, that this is what your destiny is, your life goal, that you came to this world precisely for this purpose.
IM: In actual fact, in our everyday, let’s say, three-dimensional life, a family, an interaction in that very society, that very career – all this is precisely a component of human life. It’s a different matter how one should approach this, and from which side one should look at this. Human life is too short. And a person must get everything done in time: establish a family and support it, and at the same time, it follows that he must make some career, better if it’s a decent career so as to ensure good income – all this is necessary. It is simply necessary for survival under present-day conditions.
The question is what predominates in a person, what is the main goal of his existence, the purpose of his life? Consciousness begins to tell us that the purpose of our life is in propagation. But in this case, how do we differ from any animal?
After all, if we look, then the main goal and task of any animal is, in actual fact, propagation. Well, you have propagated, extended your kin, but what is the point in this for you personally? Why do people in the old age boast that they have done a lot in their life (job plus family, say, grandchildren, and all the rest), but there’s sadness in their eyes? Because everyone understands that he hasn’t had time to do the main thing. While life – it is very short, we have already talked about this repeatedly both in the programmes and in general that life flows by very fast, like a single instant. In actual fact, any time interval which you would set for yourself, it will pass very fast: a week, a year. This is such a fleeting substance.
The meaning of human life is exactly in communion with the Spiritual World. This may provoke a kind of indignation in many people. But again, and here’s a nuance, indignation in what? In consciousness. Why, at the word "God", "spirituality", or something else, does the overwhelming majority of people feel an uprising of internal rejection by their consciousness? Even, no matter how hurtful it is, clergymen. When he is wearing vestments and conducting some service, he is well-disposed, that’s it, he is telling everyone about God. Whereas, when he remains one on one, as it is said, with God, and here even a thought or something else, all this as much as pulls at him. It’s all going on inside: not in the sense of a spiritual aspect inside, but in the sense – in consciousness, in emotions, in all the rest, because consciousness of any human being is predisposed against everything spiritual by almost 99%. This is a fact, this is the truth.
But we do have certain, let’s say so, customs, some rules of the game in society on the whole, that we have religions, we should treat them with respect, there’s God, we should treat Him with respect, we should respect other people’s choice, other people’s faith. Thank God that this exists. But this is caused by, again, certain reasons which we won’t discuss today, we won’t raise these issues, because in some people, in their consciousness again, it provokes nothing but aggression.
Why does this happen? Because consciousness of any person, I’m saying once again, is predisposed against everything spiritual. This is its function, one should comprehend and know, and accept this as a matter of fact, as a natural phenomenon. And in any religion, this was mentioned many times by those people who were indeed going to God. They didn’t play around and didn’t treat God as a sort of the one who fulfils their wishes, like “Lord, give me this, give me that… If you are giving to me, you are good God, and I will believe in you.”
T: Yes, in consciousness, there are a lot of stereotypical passions by means of which consciousness precisely enslaves a person in such… thoughts-states, in “I want” or “I don’t have enough” states, or a state of fight for power, for domination of one’s own opinion only…
IM: The notion of power is very important, for instance, consciousness tells many people, “After all, you are not fighting for power. Well, what power do you have? You have such a job, you don’t aspire, don’t make career. On the contrary, you retreat, move away from power. You are not interested in power.” This person considers himself as such, or rather his consciousness tells him this, that he is so good and doesn’t seek power, and at the same time, dictatorship begins: in the family, towards his children, towards their other halves, among friends. After all, fight for power is going on constantly. Power – it doesn’t mean to rule over nations or to manage some organisation, or something else. Here, by the word “power” we mean suppression of one material object by another one or an attempt to subordinate another person to oneself. And this takes place constantly and everywhere.
T: This is a very interesting point, that if the dictatorship of consciousness predominates in people…
IM: …they will be able to unite by interests at that. But it would be wonderful if people started indeed living by at least the laws of Conscience and Honour. So that they would unite at least on such basis that they would stop quarrelling, fighting, killing each other, and doing evil to each other. This is already a victory, a great victory over the system, over its directives. Is this possible? It’s totally possible. To build, just as we said, a good, happy world in which a human being can perceive spiritual liberation. To create conditions for that. Is this within people’s power? It is. Is it possible to be done? It must be done. It would be wonderful if true freedom was established in the entire world without any evil and without contradictions. The first thing everything starts with is honesty, honesty towards oneself.
T: Yes, after all, in essence, this is merely one’s work on oneself, and one should do everything within one’s power to create such conditions in the society.
IM: It’s impossible to force people, it is people’s choice, it is people’s freedom. Even if the entire world, just note, all people all over the world become, let’s say, free and try to influence a single person who wants to become a subpersonality, he will become a subpersonality anyway. Why? Because this is the freedom of his choice. That's where true democracy is, because everyone chooses whatever one strives for.
Any Personality, it strives, this is such a natural instinct of self-preservation… Personality feels that the Boundless World – the Spiritual World does exist, and it feels powers, and all manifestations. Whereas, consciousness blocks it, here consciousness prevents people from understanding this. But again, who prevents a person from investing the power of his attention into his spiritual development or into the material mortal things? Nobody. Only he himself chooses. The freedom of choice. And the fact that the system distracts, well, this is the right of a person as Personality: to look or not to look at these actors of his consciousness.
The ultimate battle takes place for a person from birth till death. The person will reap the outcome of the battle, of this Armageddon, after his heart stops beating. And this is true. The point here is precisely in the fact that for as long as your body’s alive and your heart is beating – you must start Living. After your heart has stopped beating, you already reap the outcome. Then it’s already impossible to correct anything. And nobody will help by praying for you, and nobody will save you. And this is true.
T: Yes, there’s also another point to become aware of… And, in general, can humanity defeat the system as an enemy on the global scale, in the comprehension of categories from consciousness, say, if, for instance, all people together on the planet unite?
IM: Humanity cannot defeat the system, because the entire system goes far beyond humanity within the framework of which we understand it, well, let’s begin with this. The system is not limited to a certain number of people on a certain planet. It is much broader and spreads across the entire material Universe, say, if we speak the language of physics, then right up to the sixth dimension – this is what the system is. Therefore, one may build illusions and aspire to defeat the system. But the best thing is to defeat it within oneself, to stop being its slave. This is precisely the main goal.
For example, even if all people together unite, well, again, if their unification is at the level of consciousness, they will strengthen it, they will strengthen the system itself, not more. But if people open up spiritually, evolve, and their unification is based on the spiritual perception of the Boundless and Infinite World through feelings, then the entire might of the system — it becomes actually less than the least of anything possible.
T: As they used to say in ancient times, everything boils down to the Po particle. You, Igor Mikhailovich, earlier told us in a way interesting for understanding that, in actual fact, the system itself has no image, because the system itself – it is the stationary Po particles, if we speak the language of ALLATRA physics. The system only begets images, but the system itself is nothing.
IM: Everything that is finite – it is worthless, it is nothing.
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T: Igor Mikhailovich, in the programme we have already repeatedly mentioned the harmfulness of magic. But, looking at the modern world, you understand that people have an insufficient understanding of what magic from the system is, and what their consciousness does in everyday life. I will briefly tell about how, for instance, my consciousness used to discourse when I heard about this topic. Well, that magic, it definitely doesn’t concern me: I’m, say, neither a psychic nor a great foreteller, nor a magician who performs some rites, nor an old witch who boils frogs in a kettle and rides a broom. Because in my consciousness, magic – it is a sorcerer from a fairy tale or a fire-eater from circus, a shaman from a movie. These are some images, some magic activities which I either have seen in movies or read about in fairy tales in my childhood, when something appears out of nothing. But all this magic had nothing to do with my life. Generally speaking, there was such an understanding that magic – all that is fairy tales, while this is “the real life”. Many people erroneously suppose so. Igor Mikhailovich, please tell us, what is magic from consciousness in human’s everyday life?
IM: Well, regarding magic… Magic is used by people in everyday life very frequently, and people don’t notice this. When a person curses someone, when he hates him and wishes evil – this is already a part of magic. This should be known and understood. When a person comes to some temple for communication with God, but asks for the health of his body or for that of his relatives and close people – this is also magic. When a person asks for wealth or resolution of some problem in the material world – this is magic, too. Everything that relates to fulfilment in three-dimensionality of some human desires, again relating to everything material (while health – it is also a part of matter, it’s a part of a material body) – all this is magic. This should be understood. Unfortunately, this originated as far back as from ancient priests, they imposed all this on people, since they understood that people worshipped higher powers. They intimidated people. Again, whom did they scare people by? They scared by God. But is this really normal? God is… God is Love, you can’t say otherwise. It’s impossible to select words in any modern world language in order to describe what God is, only “Love”. This is exactly the true understanding. But this true understanding, say, out of all human words, may be designated only as the highest and the purest Love, meaning, true Love. There can be no other Love in fact, we have already discussed this, and more than once.
Therefore, it turns out that people, whether they want this or not, but they do encounter magic. When a person is planning, for example, some meeting for tomorrow. Well, it’s clear, you are planning, the essence of the possible conversation is clear – study the issue, get ready, train your consciousness, prepare it for possible questions. This is on the one hand. But when a person starts scrolling in his head... Yet, the question is whether it’s in his head? In consciousness. These very actors on the stage begin to play roles for him, and the person already sees himself talking to the other person tomorrow. He is planning, and he is already trying to influence his opponent in order to achieve a desirable result for himself. Isn’t this magic? It is magic.
A person wastes those vital forces that should be directed to perception through feelings, to the contact with the Spiritual World, the person wastes them on material wealth, on fulfilment of his own desires. Then they say, “He’s such a good person, but why is everything so bad?” Or, to put it simpler, after the death of the physical body, a person repents, consciousness is trembling, while the Personality is perplexed – after all, he was good, he did nothing bad to anyone… He just lived his entire life in magic, put attention into wrong things, and arrived nowhere. He was going in circles all the time, although he could have not only belonged to any religion, but could have also been seeking high spiritual goals, he endeavoured to achieve them, again with the help of what? With the help of his consciousness. Consciousness is a good tool, a necessary tool, but a tool, let’s say, with its own temperament.
That is, if you need to solve something, let it solve, this is what you finance, this is what you pay attention to. But when it starts imposing some magic qualities on you, draws you into its various games, well, you shouldn’t do this. Many people don’t understand this, don’t notice themselves becoming a part of a game, participants of theatrical shows, and again, in the actual fact of what? Of magic performances.
…Well, again, consciousness tells that magic – it is performance of some rites: one should beat a tambourine, throw some herbs into a boiling cauldron, or frogs, preferably live ones, that’s when some magic activity takes place, and a person acquires or receives something. These are rituals. Rituals simply help to focus: it’s not important what you throw into a cauldron, whether you have a cauldron or not, it’s important for you to desire this.
The very process of desiring, it is already nothing else but a magic activity. Especially when people already imagine the end result, let’s say, of that very meeting tomorrow. You can practice shamanism, beat a tambourine, throw herbs into a cauldron or something else, but also you can just imagine an end result: how you will meet with a person tomorrow, what he will say to you, what you will say to him, how you will argue during the conversation, and then you will persuade him so easily. Meaning, the games of consciousness. People don’t understand that at this moment your consciousness is in contact with his consciousness, although the person doesn’t notice that. And the consciousnesses of both of you are already making a certain decision. As a rule, they make the decision that is essential for the system, let’s say it gently. But the result is always predetermined. Yet, when you don’t do this, the system guarantees the result neither to your consciousness nor to the consciousness of your opponent. You’ve prepared materials that you need, have learnt, have come to the meeting, and then let it be whatever will be. You have not played out a scenario, you have not engaged in magic, you are free in this case, and here you have many more chances to win the argument. And this is not magic, this is the truth. Why? Because the system is not prepared for your action.
Zh: Yes. I remember how you were telling us about it, and this has helped a great deal in realising that magic is a thirst to influence somebody.
Zh: Magic is dreams and desires, it is a thirst to influence someone in the future or a desire to change something in the past, to rewrite your past, “Now, if he would have said that, I would have answered him that way…” Well, if you need to do something - just go and do it. If you want to say - just say. If not - then forget it! But in no case play games with consciousness, its games of "alternative existence". After all, you give real power, and in return the system only nurtures your pride.
T: Yes. Why enter into this mental, abstract dialogue with someone, spin these conversations in one’s thoughts for two or three days, before even meeting this person? Why visualize that you possess something? After all, this is what magic is. People think a lot about the empty, fantasize, have dialogues with other people in their thoughts, argue, assert. At that, they argue about what happened a long time ago, think about events of the past or about events of the future in general. But this is precisely magic from consciousness, when you pay attention to three-dimensionality, to what is ultimately like a drop wearing away the stone.
And this magic, it is different from creative planning. For example, when you just need to cook some food, you plan what to cook - it is ordinary planning, ordinary prioritization of a working day routine. But when you imagine how you will be admired, how you will be praised for the cooked food - this is already a desire to satisfy your pridefulness, this is already magic from consciousness, visualization. That is, if you need to prepare food - just cook it, take action in this direction, but do not imagine.
Zh: Magic is, if you cannot get an emotion or something desired, then consciousness begins to broadcast an alternative reality in your thoughts. But have you ordered this movie? After all, what is going on? You evoke images and endow them with the power of attention, that is, with action. The only trouble is: they are an illusion, and you are wasting real life on the system. As a result, the system prolongs its life, while you gain death for yourself.
T: Yes, alas… And if your consciousness has nothing to do, then it would be better for it to study something…
Zh: Yes, but in general, it is better to spend time on spiritual development. Just to strengthen in yourself contact with the Spiritual World, because this is boundless happiness, this is inner boundless God's Love. It is much better to be happy than miserable. It is better to be Alive than dead.
T: Absolutely right. So, the point is not about planning as such, but that you do not cherish any illusions about that. Well, you have planned, got prepared, and then it will be as it will be. You are just moving towards the goal. For you, whether to go and buy some bread or to go to some business negotiations - it's the same thing, it's decided on the spot. While your entire importance and seriousness, it is already in something different. It is in those events that occur while in perception of the Spiritual World through feelings. And on three-dimensionality, you already spend the power of attention not in such huge quantities and, generally speaking, as required, in the economy mode.
Zh: Yes, when people are preparing for something, they often say, "Well, as God grants." But this is not right, though...
IM: This is not right, God really does not engage in this. It's simply because this is convenient for people, or rather, it is convenient for their consciousness to dump everything on the higher and stronger one. They say, "God gave, God sent, God something else..." But which God do they mean? God who is in Eternity, or god who is in the system which exists temporarily? Is it the temporary god or the True God? Here one should also understand.
People often throw words around without understanding their essence, and this is also a kind of magic. A word has power. Some religious scriptures start with, "In the beginning, there was the word..." There is a reason for this. And it applies not only to Christianity, but it has also been in the pre-Christian religions, that in the beginning there was the word. Word, it is a beginning of very many processes. Why? Because it is voicing of your inner desire, meaning, pronouncing it out loud. This in itself is already an activation of certain processes. A person has reactions to habitual words: a negative word said to you causes a certain reaction in you, or a kind word causes another reaction, and so on. Entire psychology, for example, what is it built on? On the word. Religion, what is it built on? On the word. That is, word is word.
A word, put it any way you want, is a tool of three-dimensionality, it is a tool of this world. A thought is also a tool of the material world. Whereas, perception through feelings or direct contact, it is completely different, it is distinguishable from both a word and a thought. That is why consciousness does not perceive it. And that is why many people who live by consciousness and are completely controlled by consciousness, they do not grasp a simple Truth. They understand all sorts of things: magic, rituals... They apprehend it all, it is all clear, it can be logically explained. But the fact itself - the reality and existence of God - they cannot explain. They try to believe, they pretend to believe, many even pretend to serve God, and they teach this to others. But let's look at them without a mask - and everything falls into place.
T: Yes... Here, it’s indeed a good question, how to distinguish people who live by the Spiritual World from laypeople? After all, people very often look for some signs, but in three-dimensionality…
Zh: But they are felt, these people are really felt. People do not understand that the dead belongs to the dead, while the alive belongs to the alive. When people learn to feel the truth, then such questions won’t come up.
IM: Yes. Actually, I would like to advise people, even if at the level of consciousness, simply out of curiosity: isn’t it interesting whether the Spiritual World exists or not? Is it possible somehow to exist without thoughts, without the usual way of thinking, I mean, but at the level of perception through feelings? Is it possible to control one's own consciousness? Isn’t this interesting? Just to try.
T: Yes, as you, Igor Mikhailovich, said at the beginning of the programme, simply at least as an experiment, to try to observe oneself: how thoughts come, to write it down, to try to control them, to try to stop this flow of thoughts or even to try to direct it. Then you can very easily come to an understanding that all this is not yours, and that it is not you. You just need to try to live by a different perception - perception through the deepest feelings.
And only one pattern from consciousness stands in the way here - it is the pattern of doubts, right up to consciousness telling people that "I will not succeed," "I'm not very smart," or "I'm too young," or, on the contrary, that "I'm already too old"...
IM: The Soul has no age, and neither does the Personality. And there is no difference what one’s age is. The Spiritual World can be cognized by both an old person and a child, and by anyone, if there is such a desire. But the desire arises exactly from the Personality, from the aspiration, not from the mind. If one aspires from the mind, it will not work. Consciousness never seeks God, this is also a paradox. But it always seeks magic, seeks secret knowledge, seeks those powers that are hidden behind the three-dimensional world, that is, in order to get to that which contributes to manipulating other matter.
T: For a human being as a Personality this means going round in circles, this is simply wasting one’s life for nothing. A lot of people get stuck exactly in these doubts...
IM: ...in their thoughts and so on, they go on fighting with themselves, with their thoughts. Some stand around and wait for someone to bring it to them on the silver platter. At the same time, they want this, really sincerely want this, but they do nothing, they don’t work on themselves, because of laziness, or something distracts them, and so on. And many really talented people who were actually aspiring, who were walking, confidently walking, but they turned to the path of magic (or extrasensory perception), you cannot really call it otherwise. When people encounter this in person, it impresses them. Whom does it impress? It impresses consciousness. And if we simply take a look, where are they? They have remained there. Is there any sense in this?
T: That is, it turns out that initially a person is driven exactly by the good, exactly by the aspiration from the Personality ...
IM: Of course, by the good. But the system always alters the good into what is beneficial for it. And this is true.
T: Yes, even if we just take a simple example. After all, often people, after receiving some initial experience in meditations, they try to help, but again, in their understanding, to help their neighbour. For example, to send "rays of love" towards him, or something else. And then they note that "yes, suddenly the neighbour indeed began to feel somewhat better"...
IM: Well, this is commonplace physics, it really happens this way. He gives a part of his life to another person, redirects it. And the other person takes it and successfully tosses it over where? To consciousness. Meaning, the first one has given to consciousness, and the second one has given to consciousness. There is no benefit for either the first one or the second one. This is unacceptable, this is magic.
T: Yes, and it is clear that eventually it ends with...
IM: ...They will learn. Let's say, there is such a term "subpersonality", we have mentioned it. Or, as they say in Christianity, "hell". It will not end with anything good. If you want to help - help. If a person got sick - take him to the doctor. If a person is sad - support him, talk to him, explain things to him. We need to be supportive.
The Soul has no age, and neither does the Personality.